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I am having trouble finishing this problem for finding a recurrent relation. The problem is:



$T(n)=8T(n/2) + n^3$, $T(1)=1$ ; find $T(n)$



So I am using iteration to generate a general formula for the equation and have managed to get to the following point after performing three iterations:



$8^3T(n/2^3) + n^3 + n^3+ n^3$



I make this out to be:



$8^kT(n/2^k) + n^3(1+1+1+.... 1^k-1)$



From here I struggle and do not quite know how to proceed to find the answer. If anyone can help me it would be much appreciated.










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    T(0) doesn't seem to fit with the recurrence relation
    – Yuriy S
    Nov 17 at 10:24










  • T(0) is all that was given, T(1) was not given.
    – Noob Coder
    Nov 17 at 10:34










  • Substitute $n=0$ into your equation. You get $7=0$. This problem has no solution
    – Yuriy S
    Nov 17 at 10:36










  • Either you copied it wrong, or whoever gave it to you is wrong.
    – Yuriy S
    Nov 17 at 10:37










  • Well maybe the question maker made an error then?
    – Noob Coder
    Nov 17 at 10:38















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I am having trouble finishing this problem for finding a recurrent relation. The problem is:



$T(n)=8T(n/2) + n^3$, $T(1)=1$ ; find $T(n)$



So I am using iteration to generate a general formula for the equation and have managed to get to the following point after performing three iterations:



$8^3T(n/2^3) + n^3 + n^3+ n^3$



I make this out to be:



$8^kT(n/2^k) + n^3(1+1+1+.... 1^k-1)$



From here I struggle and do not quite know how to proceed to find the answer. If anyone can help me it would be much appreciated.










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  • 1




    T(0) doesn't seem to fit with the recurrence relation
    – Yuriy S
    Nov 17 at 10:24










  • T(0) is all that was given, T(1) was not given.
    – Noob Coder
    Nov 17 at 10:34










  • Substitute $n=0$ into your equation. You get $7=0$. This problem has no solution
    – Yuriy S
    Nov 17 at 10:36










  • Either you copied it wrong, or whoever gave it to you is wrong.
    – Yuriy S
    Nov 17 at 10:37










  • Well maybe the question maker made an error then?
    – Noob Coder
    Nov 17 at 10:38













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I am having trouble finishing this problem for finding a recurrent relation. The problem is:



$T(n)=8T(n/2) + n^3$, $T(1)=1$ ; find $T(n)$



So I am using iteration to generate a general formula for the equation and have managed to get to the following point after performing three iterations:



$8^3T(n/2^3) + n^3 + n^3+ n^3$



I make this out to be:



$8^kT(n/2^k) + n^3(1+1+1+.... 1^k-1)$



From here I struggle and do not quite know how to proceed to find the answer. If anyone can help me it would be much appreciated.










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I am having trouble finishing this problem for finding a recurrent relation. The problem is:



$T(n)=8T(n/2) + n^3$, $T(1)=1$ ; find $T(n)$



So I am using iteration to generate a general formula for the equation and have managed to get to the following point after performing three iterations:



$8^3T(n/2^3) + n^3 + n^3+ n^3$



I make this out to be:



$8^kT(n/2^k) + n^3(1+1+1+.... 1^k-1)$



From here I struggle and do not quite know how to proceed to find the answer. If anyone can help me it would be much appreciated.







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    T(0) doesn't seem to fit with the recurrence relation
    – Yuriy S
    Nov 17 at 10:24










  • T(0) is all that was given, T(1) was not given.
    – Noob Coder
    Nov 17 at 10:34










  • Substitute $n=0$ into your equation. You get $7=0$. This problem has no solution
    – Yuriy S
    Nov 17 at 10:36










  • Either you copied it wrong, or whoever gave it to you is wrong.
    – Yuriy S
    Nov 17 at 10:37










  • Well maybe the question maker made an error then?
    – Noob Coder
    Nov 17 at 10:38














  • 1




    T(0) doesn't seem to fit with the recurrence relation
    – Yuriy S
    Nov 17 at 10:24










  • T(0) is all that was given, T(1) was not given.
    – Noob Coder
    Nov 17 at 10:34










  • Substitute $n=0$ into your equation. You get $7=0$. This problem has no solution
    – Yuriy S
    Nov 17 at 10:36










  • Either you copied it wrong, or whoever gave it to you is wrong.
    – Yuriy S
    Nov 17 at 10:37










  • Well maybe the question maker made an error then?
    – Noob Coder
    Nov 17 at 10:38








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T(0) doesn't seem to fit with the recurrence relation
– Yuriy S
Nov 17 at 10:24




T(0) doesn't seem to fit with the recurrence relation
– Yuriy S
Nov 17 at 10:24












T(0) is all that was given, T(1) was not given.
– Noob Coder
Nov 17 at 10:34




T(0) is all that was given, T(1) was not given.
– Noob Coder
Nov 17 at 10:34












Substitute $n=0$ into your equation. You get $7=0$. This problem has no solution
– Yuriy S
Nov 17 at 10:36




Substitute $n=0$ into your equation. You get $7=0$. This problem has no solution
– Yuriy S
Nov 17 at 10:36












Either you copied it wrong, or whoever gave it to you is wrong.
– Yuriy S
Nov 17 at 10:37




Either you copied it wrong, or whoever gave it to you is wrong.
– Yuriy S
Nov 17 at 10:37












Well maybe the question maker made an error then?
– Noob Coder
Nov 17 at 10:38




Well maybe the question maker made an error then?
– Noob Coder
Nov 17 at 10:38










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Hint:



Make a change of variable:



$$n=2^m \ T(n)=a(m)$$



This means that:



$$frac{n}{2}=2^{m-1}$$



Then you should substitute it into the initial equation:



$$begin{array}( T(n) & = & 8 T left(frac{n}{2} right) &+&n^3 \ downarrow & ~ & ~downarrow & ~ & downarrow \ a(m) & = & 8 a left(m-1 right) &+&2^{3m} end{array}$$



Now you get a linear recurrence:



$$a(m)=8 a(m-1)+8^{m}$$



Do you know how to solve it?



Further hint:



Consider another sequence:



$$a(m)=8^{m} b(m)$$






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  • I am honestly lost at this point. I do not know how to get past the linear recurrence part,
    – Noob Coder
    Nov 17 at 19:19










  • @NoobCoder, what do you get after using my last hint? What does the recurrence for $b(m)$ look like?
    – Yuriy S
    Nov 17 at 19:32










  • What does b(m) equal?
    – Noob Coder
    Nov 17 at 19:42










  • @NoobCoder, substitute the expression for $a(m)$ in terms of $b(m)$ I have written into the recurrence equation for $a(m)$ I have obtained. Show me what you get, then I will answer your question
    – Yuriy S
    Nov 17 at 19:44










  • Would I be doing $a(m)/8^m$ ?
    – Noob Coder
    Nov 17 at 19:48


















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When proceeding with master theorem relations $$T(bn)=a,T(n)+f(n)$$





You can try to find a simpler relation either





  • $U(n)=adfrac{T(n)}{n^alpha}$


  • $V(n)=adfrac{T(n)}{n^alpha}+cdfrac{f(n)}{n^alpha}$


with a suitable choice of $alpha$ (depends on what $f(n)$ looks like...)



See for example some instances of the second method here : solving recurrence equations and get complexity T(n)...





But sometimes it does not work and first method is preferable.



Here we have $$T(2n)=8T(n)+8n^3$$



If you try second method on this relation ( e.g. $V(n)=8dfrac{T(n)}n+cn^2$ ), you will get nowhere, you cannot find a suitable $c$ that works.



In this case first method works fine :



Let set $U(n)=dfrac{8T(n)}{n^3}$



Then $U(2n)=dfrac{T(2n)}{n^3}=8dfrac{T(n)}{n^3}+8=U(n)+8$



We have found a simpler relation $$U(2n)=U(n)+8$$





It solves to $U(2^m)=U(1)+8m$



which is equivalent to $U(n)=U(1)+8dfrac{ln(n)}{ln(2)}=U(1)+8log_2(n)$



Finally you deduce $T(n)=dfrac{n^3U(n)}{8}=n^3(C+log_{2}(n))$






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    Hint:



    Make a change of variable:



    $$n=2^m \ T(n)=a(m)$$



    This means that:



    $$frac{n}{2}=2^{m-1}$$



    Then you should substitute it into the initial equation:



    $$begin{array}( T(n) & = & 8 T left(frac{n}{2} right) &+&n^3 \ downarrow & ~ & ~downarrow & ~ & downarrow \ a(m) & = & 8 a left(m-1 right) &+&2^{3m} end{array}$$



    Now you get a linear recurrence:



    $$a(m)=8 a(m-1)+8^{m}$$



    Do you know how to solve it?



    Further hint:



    Consider another sequence:



    $$a(m)=8^{m} b(m)$$






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    • I am honestly lost at this point. I do not know how to get past the linear recurrence part,
      – Noob Coder
      Nov 17 at 19:19










    • @NoobCoder, what do you get after using my last hint? What does the recurrence for $b(m)$ look like?
      – Yuriy S
      Nov 17 at 19:32










    • What does b(m) equal?
      – Noob Coder
      Nov 17 at 19:42










    • @NoobCoder, substitute the expression for $a(m)$ in terms of $b(m)$ I have written into the recurrence equation for $a(m)$ I have obtained. Show me what you get, then I will answer your question
      – Yuriy S
      Nov 17 at 19:44










    • Would I be doing $a(m)/8^m$ ?
      – Noob Coder
      Nov 17 at 19:48















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    Hint:



    Make a change of variable:



    $$n=2^m \ T(n)=a(m)$$



    This means that:



    $$frac{n}{2}=2^{m-1}$$



    Then you should substitute it into the initial equation:



    $$begin{array}( T(n) & = & 8 T left(frac{n}{2} right) &+&n^3 \ downarrow & ~ & ~downarrow & ~ & downarrow \ a(m) & = & 8 a left(m-1 right) &+&2^{3m} end{array}$$



    Now you get a linear recurrence:



    $$a(m)=8 a(m-1)+8^{m}$$



    Do you know how to solve it?



    Further hint:



    Consider another sequence:



    $$a(m)=8^{m} b(m)$$






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    • I am honestly lost at this point. I do not know how to get past the linear recurrence part,
      – Noob Coder
      Nov 17 at 19:19










    • @NoobCoder, what do you get after using my last hint? What does the recurrence for $b(m)$ look like?
      – Yuriy S
      Nov 17 at 19:32










    • What does b(m) equal?
      – Noob Coder
      Nov 17 at 19:42










    • @NoobCoder, substitute the expression for $a(m)$ in terms of $b(m)$ I have written into the recurrence equation for $a(m)$ I have obtained. Show me what you get, then I will answer your question
      – Yuriy S
      Nov 17 at 19:44










    • Would I be doing $a(m)/8^m$ ?
      – Noob Coder
      Nov 17 at 19:48













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    Hint:



    Make a change of variable:



    $$n=2^m \ T(n)=a(m)$$



    This means that:



    $$frac{n}{2}=2^{m-1}$$



    Then you should substitute it into the initial equation:



    $$begin{array}( T(n) & = & 8 T left(frac{n}{2} right) &+&n^3 \ downarrow & ~ & ~downarrow & ~ & downarrow \ a(m) & = & 8 a left(m-1 right) &+&2^{3m} end{array}$$



    Now you get a linear recurrence:



    $$a(m)=8 a(m-1)+8^{m}$$



    Do you know how to solve it?



    Further hint:



    Consider another sequence:



    $$a(m)=8^{m} b(m)$$






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    Hint:



    Make a change of variable:



    $$n=2^m \ T(n)=a(m)$$



    This means that:



    $$frac{n}{2}=2^{m-1}$$



    Then you should substitute it into the initial equation:



    $$begin{array}( T(n) & = & 8 T left(frac{n}{2} right) &+&n^3 \ downarrow & ~ & ~downarrow & ~ & downarrow \ a(m) & = & 8 a left(m-1 right) &+&2^{3m} end{array}$$



    Now you get a linear recurrence:



    $$a(m)=8 a(m-1)+8^{m}$$



    Do you know how to solve it?



    Further hint:



    Consider another sequence:



    $$a(m)=8^{m} b(m)$$







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    • I am honestly lost at this point. I do not know how to get past the linear recurrence part,
      – Noob Coder
      Nov 17 at 19:19










    • @NoobCoder, what do you get after using my last hint? What does the recurrence for $b(m)$ look like?
      – Yuriy S
      Nov 17 at 19:32










    • What does b(m) equal?
      – Noob Coder
      Nov 17 at 19:42










    • @NoobCoder, substitute the expression for $a(m)$ in terms of $b(m)$ I have written into the recurrence equation for $a(m)$ I have obtained. Show me what you get, then I will answer your question
      – Yuriy S
      Nov 17 at 19:44










    • Would I be doing $a(m)/8^m$ ?
      – Noob Coder
      Nov 17 at 19:48


















    • I am honestly lost at this point. I do not know how to get past the linear recurrence part,
      – Noob Coder
      Nov 17 at 19:19










    • @NoobCoder, what do you get after using my last hint? What does the recurrence for $b(m)$ look like?
      – Yuriy S
      Nov 17 at 19:32










    • What does b(m) equal?
      – Noob Coder
      Nov 17 at 19:42










    • @NoobCoder, substitute the expression for $a(m)$ in terms of $b(m)$ I have written into the recurrence equation for $a(m)$ I have obtained. Show me what you get, then I will answer your question
      – Yuriy S
      Nov 17 at 19:44










    • Would I be doing $a(m)/8^m$ ?
      – Noob Coder
      Nov 17 at 19:48
















    I am honestly lost at this point. I do not know how to get past the linear recurrence part,
    – Noob Coder
    Nov 17 at 19:19




    I am honestly lost at this point. I do not know how to get past the linear recurrence part,
    – Noob Coder
    Nov 17 at 19:19












    @NoobCoder, what do you get after using my last hint? What does the recurrence for $b(m)$ look like?
    – Yuriy S
    Nov 17 at 19:32




    @NoobCoder, what do you get after using my last hint? What does the recurrence for $b(m)$ look like?
    – Yuriy S
    Nov 17 at 19:32












    What does b(m) equal?
    – Noob Coder
    Nov 17 at 19:42




    What does b(m) equal?
    – Noob Coder
    Nov 17 at 19:42












    @NoobCoder, substitute the expression for $a(m)$ in terms of $b(m)$ I have written into the recurrence equation for $a(m)$ I have obtained. Show me what you get, then I will answer your question
    – Yuriy S
    Nov 17 at 19:44




    @NoobCoder, substitute the expression for $a(m)$ in terms of $b(m)$ I have written into the recurrence equation for $a(m)$ I have obtained. Show me what you get, then I will answer your question
    – Yuriy S
    Nov 17 at 19:44












    Would I be doing $a(m)/8^m$ ?
    – Noob Coder
    Nov 17 at 19:48




    Would I be doing $a(m)/8^m$ ?
    – Noob Coder
    Nov 17 at 19:48










    up vote
    0
    down vote













    When proceeding with master theorem relations $$T(bn)=a,T(n)+f(n)$$





    You can try to find a simpler relation either





    • $U(n)=adfrac{T(n)}{n^alpha}$


    • $V(n)=adfrac{T(n)}{n^alpha}+cdfrac{f(n)}{n^alpha}$


    with a suitable choice of $alpha$ (depends on what $f(n)$ looks like...)



    See for example some instances of the second method here : solving recurrence equations and get complexity T(n)...





    But sometimes it does not work and first method is preferable.



    Here we have $$T(2n)=8T(n)+8n^3$$



    If you try second method on this relation ( e.g. $V(n)=8dfrac{T(n)}n+cn^2$ ), you will get nowhere, you cannot find a suitable $c$ that works.



    In this case first method works fine :



    Let set $U(n)=dfrac{8T(n)}{n^3}$



    Then $U(2n)=dfrac{T(2n)}{n^3}=8dfrac{T(n)}{n^3}+8=U(n)+8$



    We have found a simpler relation $$U(2n)=U(n)+8$$





    It solves to $U(2^m)=U(1)+8m$



    which is equivalent to $U(n)=U(1)+8dfrac{ln(n)}{ln(2)}=U(1)+8log_2(n)$



    Finally you deduce $T(n)=dfrac{n^3U(n)}{8}=n^3(C+log_{2}(n))$






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      up vote
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      down vote













      When proceeding with master theorem relations $$T(bn)=a,T(n)+f(n)$$





      You can try to find a simpler relation either





      • $U(n)=adfrac{T(n)}{n^alpha}$


      • $V(n)=adfrac{T(n)}{n^alpha}+cdfrac{f(n)}{n^alpha}$


      with a suitable choice of $alpha$ (depends on what $f(n)$ looks like...)



      See for example some instances of the second method here : solving recurrence equations and get complexity T(n)...





      But sometimes it does not work and first method is preferable.



      Here we have $$T(2n)=8T(n)+8n^3$$



      If you try second method on this relation ( e.g. $V(n)=8dfrac{T(n)}n+cn^2$ ), you will get nowhere, you cannot find a suitable $c$ that works.



      In this case first method works fine :



      Let set $U(n)=dfrac{8T(n)}{n^3}$



      Then $U(2n)=dfrac{T(2n)}{n^3}=8dfrac{T(n)}{n^3}+8=U(n)+8$



      We have found a simpler relation $$U(2n)=U(n)+8$$





      It solves to $U(2^m)=U(1)+8m$



      which is equivalent to $U(n)=U(1)+8dfrac{ln(n)}{ln(2)}=U(1)+8log_2(n)$



      Finally you deduce $T(n)=dfrac{n^3U(n)}{8}=n^3(C+log_{2}(n))$






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        up vote
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        When proceeding with master theorem relations $$T(bn)=a,T(n)+f(n)$$





        You can try to find a simpler relation either





        • $U(n)=adfrac{T(n)}{n^alpha}$


        • $V(n)=adfrac{T(n)}{n^alpha}+cdfrac{f(n)}{n^alpha}$


        with a suitable choice of $alpha$ (depends on what $f(n)$ looks like...)



        See for example some instances of the second method here : solving recurrence equations and get complexity T(n)...





        But sometimes it does not work and first method is preferable.



        Here we have $$T(2n)=8T(n)+8n^3$$



        If you try second method on this relation ( e.g. $V(n)=8dfrac{T(n)}n+cn^2$ ), you will get nowhere, you cannot find a suitable $c$ that works.



        In this case first method works fine :



        Let set $U(n)=dfrac{8T(n)}{n^3}$



        Then $U(2n)=dfrac{T(2n)}{n^3}=8dfrac{T(n)}{n^3}+8=U(n)+8$



        We have found a simpler relation $$U(2n)=U(n)+8$$





        It solves to $U(2^m)=U(1)+8m$



        which is equivalent to $U(n)=U(1)+8dfrac{ln(n)}{ln(2)}=U(1)+8log_2(n)$



        Finally you deduce $T(n)=dfrac{n^3U(n)}{8}=n^3(C+log_{2}(n))$






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        When proceeding with master theorem relations $$T(bn)=a,T(n)+f(n)$$





        You can try to find a simpler relation either





        • $U(n)=adfrac{T(n)}{n^alpha}$


        • $V(n)=adfrac{T(n)}{n^alpha}+cdfrac{f(n)}{n^alpha}$


        with a suitable choice of $alpha$ (depends on what $f(n)$ looks like...)



        See for example some instances of the second method here : solving recurrence equations and get complexity T(n)...





        But sometimes it does not work and first method is preferable.



        Here we have $$T(2n)=8T(n)+8n^3$$



        If you try second method on this relation ( e.g. $V(n)=8dfrac{T(n)}n+cn^2$ ), you will get nowhere, you cannot find a suitable $c$ that works.



        In this case first method works fine :



        Let set $U(n)=dfrac{8T(n)}{n^3}$



        Then $U(2n)=dfrac{T(2n)}{n^3}=8dfrac{T(n)}{n^3}+8=U(n)+8$



        We have found a simpler relation $$U(2n)=U(n)+8$$





        It solves to $U(2^m)=U(1)+8m$



        which is equivalent to $U(n)=U(1)+8dfrac{ln(n)}{ln(2)}=U(1)+8log_2(n)$



        Finally you deduce $T(n)=dfrac{n^3U(n)}{8}=n^3(C+log_{2}(n))$







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