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Show that for $1leq p<infty$, $ell _p$ with multiplication defined by $(a_n)_n(b_n)_n=(a_nb_n)_n$has an unbounded approximate identity but no bounded approximate identity, I don't know how to start the proof



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          The identity for $mathbb{C}$ is $1$, thus the identity for $ell_p$ with such multiplication should be $(1)_n$ (constant sequence) but this sequence is in $ell_p$ if and only if $p=infty$, which is not the case.



          On the other hand, such sequence can be approximated by $(x^k)_ksubseteqell_p$, where $x^k = (x^k_n)_n$ is given by
          $$x^k_n=begin{cases} 1, & text{ if } nleq k \ 0, & text{ if } n>k,
          end{cases}
          $$

          in the sense that $limlimits_{ktoinfty}|x^ka-a|_p=0$ for $ainell_p$.






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          • @Dear rldias, Thank you very much. This idea is very helpful to me. I am reading your answer. Thanks again
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          The identity for $mathbb{C}$ is $1$, thus the identity for $ell_p$ with such multiplication should be $(1)_n$ (constant sequence) but this sequence is in $ell_p$ if and only if $p=infty$, which is not the case.



          On the other hand, such sequence can be approximated by $(x^k)_ksubseteqell_p$, where $x^k = (x^k_n)_n$ is given by
          $$x^k_n=begin{cases} 1, & text{ if } nleq k \ 0, & text{ if } n>k,
          end{cases}
          $$

          in the sense that $limlimits_{ktoinfty}|x^ka-a|_p=0$ for $ainell_p$.






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          • @Dear rldias, Thank you very much. This idea is very helpful to me. I am reading your answer. Thanks again
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          The identity for $mathbb{C}$ is $1$, thus the identity for $ell_p$ with such multiplication should be $(1)_n$ (constant sequence) but this sequence is in $ell_p$ if and only if $p=infty$, which is not the case.



          On the other hand, such sequence can be approximated by $(x^k)_ksubseteqell_p$, where $x^k = (x^k_n)_n$ is given by
          $$x^k_n=begin{cases} 1, & text{ if } nleq k \ 0, & text{ if } n>k,
          end{cases}
          $$

          in the sense that $limlimits_{ktoinfty}|x^ka-a|_p=0$ for $ainell_p$.






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          • @Dear rldias, Thank you very much. This idea is very helpful to me. I am reading your answer. Thanks again
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          The identity for $mathbb{C}$ is $1$, thus the identity for $ell_p$ with such multiplication should be $(1)_n$ (constant sequence) but this sequence is in $ell_p$ if and only if $p=infty$, which is not the case.



          On the other hand, such sequence can be approximated by $(x^k)_ksubseteqell_p$, where $x^k = (x^k_n)_n$ is given by
          $$x^k_n=begin{cases} 1, & text{ if } nleq k \ 0, & text{ if } n>k,
          end{cases}
          $$

          in the sense that $limlimits_{ktoinfty}|x^ka-a|_p=0$ for $ainell_p$.






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          The identity for $mathbb{C}$ is $1$, thus the identity for $ell_p$ with such multiplication should be $(1)_n$ (constant sequence) but this sequence is in $ell_p$ if and only if $p=infty$, which is not the case.



          On the other hand, such sequence can be approximated by $(x^k)_ksubseteqell_p$, where $x^k = (x^k_n)_n$ is given by
          $$x^k_n=begin{cases} 1, & text{ if } nleq k \ 0, & text{ if } n>k,
          end{cases}
          $$

          in the sense that $limlimits_{ktoinfty}|x^ka-a|_p=0$ for $ainell_p$.







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