Are there earlier incidences than Merchant of Venice of an angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other?
In act 2, scene 2 of The Merchant of Venice, Launcelot Gobbo is conflicted regarding whether to run from Shylock, or continue working for him. Shakespeare expresses this internal conflict by describing the conscience on one side and a fiend on the other (at his elbow). This is an image which has found its place in popular culture over the years (an angel on one shoulder and a devil on another).
But did Shakespeare get it from somewhere? Are there earlier (literary, biblical, cultural etc) sources for this device?
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In act 2, scene 2 of The Merchant of Venice, Launcelot Gobbo is conflicted regarding whether to run from Shylock, or continue working for him. Shakespeare expresses this internal conflict by describing the conscience on one side and a fiend on the other (at his elbow). This is an image which has found its place in popular culture over the years (an angel on one shoulder and a devil on another).
But did Shakespeare get it from somewhere? Are there earlier (literary, biblical, cultural etc) sources for this device?
william-shakespeare literary-device the-merchant-of-venice
Are you looking for any earlier incidences, or specifically evidence that Shakespeare was influenced by, or at least aware of, the earlier incidneces?
– Alex
Dec 19 '18 at 18:43
@Alex admittedly, I changed streams mid question, but ultimately, I'll start with any that exist and then move to what he might have known from there.
– rosends
Dec 19 '18 at 18:45
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In act 2, scene 2 of The Merchant of Venice, Launcelot Gobbo is conflicted regarding whether to run from Shylock, or continue working for him. Shakespeare expresses this internal conflict by describing the conscience on one side and a fiend on the other (at his elbow). This is an image which has found its place in popular culture over the years (an angel on one shoulder and a devil on another).
But did Shakespeare get it from somewhere? Are there earlier (literary, biblical, cultural etc) sources for this device?
william-shakespeare literary-device the-merchant-of-venice
In act 2, scene 2 of The Merchant of Venice, Launcelot Gobbo is conflicted regarding whether to run from Shylock, or continue working for him. Shakespeare expresses this internal conflict by describing the conscience on one side and a fiend on the other (at his elbow). This is an image which has found its place in popular culture over the years (an angel on one shoulder and a devil on another).
But did Shakespeare get it from somewhere? Are there earlier (literary, biblical, cultural etc) sources for this device?
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Are you looking for any earlier incidences, or specifically evidence that Shakespeare was influenced by, or at least aware of, the earlier incidneces?
– Alex
Dec 19 '18 at 18:43
@Alex admittedly, I changed streams mid question, but ultimately, I'll start with any that exist and then move to what he might have known from there.
– rosends
Dec 19 '18 at 18:45
add a comment |
Are you looking for any earlier incidences, or specifically evidence that Shakespeare was influenced by, or at least aware of, the earlier incidneces?
– Alex
Dec 19 '18 at 18:43
@Alex admittedly, I changed streams mid question, but ultimately, I'll start with any that exist and then move to what he might have known from there.
– rosends
Dec 19 '18 at 18:45
Are you looking for any earlier incidences, or specifically evidence that Shakespeare was influenced by, or at least aware of, the earlier incidneces?
– Alex
Dec 19 '18 at 18:43
Are you looking for any earlier incidences, or specifically evidence that Shakespeare was influenced by, or at least aware of, the earlier incidneces?
– Alex
Dec 19 '18 at 18:43
@Alex admittedly, I changed streams mid question, but ultimately, I'll start with any that exist and then move to what he might have known from there.
– rosends
Dec 19 '18 at 18:45
@Alex admittedly, I changed streams mid question, but ultimately, I'll start with any that exist and then move to what he might have known from there.
– rosends
Dec 19 '18 at 18:45
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Yes, the device of the good and the bad angel had definitely used before, for example by Christopher Marlowe in The Tragical History of Dr. Faustus. Marlowe's plays are generally hard to date and Doctor Faustus was probably written between 1589 and 1592, while The Merchant of Venice was presumably written between 1596 and 1599, i.e. several years after Marlowe's death.
In Doctor Faustus, the good and the evil angel already appear in the very first scene:
Good Angel: O Faustus, lay that damned book aside
And gaze not on it, lest it tempt thy soul,
And heap God's heavy wrath upon thy head!
Read, read the Scriptures—that is blasphemy.
Evil Angel: Go forward, Faustus, in that famous art
Wherein all nature's treasure is contained;
Be thou on earth as Jove is in the sky,
Lord and commander of these elements.
They come back in scene 5:
Good Angel: Faustus, repent! Yet God will pity thee.
Evil Angel: Thou art a spirit; God cannot pity thee.
And again in scene 6:
Evil Angel: Too late.
Good Angel: Never too late, if Faustus can repent.
Evil Angel: If thou repent, devils shall tear thee in pieces.
Good Angel: Repent, and they shall never raze thy skin.
(I am quoting from an edition that has only scene divisions, no acts.)
However, the origin of the device is older and was already used in the so-called morality plays, e.g. the fifteenth-century The Castle of Perseverance. In the text available at the Robbins Libary, University of Rochester, they are listed as "bonus angelus" ("good angel") and "malus angelus" ("bad angel").
Update:
I am aware of two sources for this motif:
- The parable of the choice of Heracles/Hercules by the Greek philosopher Prodicus. In this parable, two women appear to Hercules: one who is voluptuous and who promises him the shortest road to the enjoyment of pleasure, and one of more dignified beauty who urges him to follow the longer and more arduous path of noble deeds. Hercules chooses virtue over vice.
- The Christian concept of the guardian angel, which may have some sort of demon as its counterpart. The concept of guardian angel was never formulated by the Church but can be found in the writings of one of the church fahers, St. Jerome: "how great the dignity of the soul, since each one has from his birth an angel commissioned to guard it" (Commentary on Matthew, xviii, lib. II)). (See Catholic.com.) The "bad angel" presumably derives from the angels that were cast out of heaven together with Satan (Revelation 12:7-9).
Your remark about dating has spawned a follow-up question.
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 19 '18 at 19:15
@Randal'Thor Yes. I'll have to dive into my Marlowe books :-)
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 19 '18 at 19:16
@ChristopheStrobbe this is great -- do you happen to think that the morality plays of the 1400's are a first iteration? I know of a similar device in other areas and am trying to see if one influenced the other.
– rosends
Dec 19 '18 at 21:28
1
@rosends I can try to look that up, but not before Friday or Saturday.
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 19 '18 at 21:31
@rosends For a more recent scene inspired by the "two angels" on someone's shoulder: look at the bedroom scene from Game of Thrones, season 1, episode 1, where Lady Catelyn and Maester Luwin can be seen over Ned Stark's left and right shoulder, respectively, giving him conflicting advice. It's not "good and evil" this time, but the same visual symbolism.
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 21 '18 at 16:54
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In the Islamic tradition there are two angels, the kiraman katibin, that figuratively sit to the left and right of person to record their actions, both good and bad. They are named in the Qu'ran as the noble recorders:
And indeed [appointed] over you are recorders. Noble and recording. They know whatever you do (82:10-12)
This might be a possible influence - the parallel in imagery is quite striking after all.
Interesting find!
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 22 '18 at 14:42
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Yes, the device of the good and the bad angel had definitely used before, for example by Christopher Marlowe in The Tragical History of Dr. Faustus. Marlowe's plays are generally hard to date and Doctor Faustus was probably written between 1589 and 1592, while The Merchant of Venice was presumably written between 1596 and 1599, i.e. several years after Marlowe's death.
In Doctor Faustus, the good and the evil angel already appear in the very first scene:
Good Angel: O Faustus, lay that damned book aside
And gaze not on it, lest it tempt thy soul,
And heap God's heavy wrath upon thy head!
Read, read the Scriptures—that is blasphemy.
Evil Angel: Go forward, Faustus, in that famous art
Wherein all nature's treasure is contained;
Be thou on earth as Jove is in the sky,
Lord and commander of these elements.
They come back in scene 5:
Good Angel: Faustus, repent! Yet God will pity thee.
Evil Angel: Thou art a spirit; God cannot pity thee.
And again in scene 6:
Evil Angel: Too late.
Good Angel: Never too late, if Faustus can repent.
Evil Angel: If thou repent, devils shall tear thee in pieces.
Good Angel: Repent, and they shall never raze thy skin.
(I am quoting from an edition that has only scene divisions, no acts.)
However, the origin of the device is older and was already used in the so-called morality plays, e.g. the fifteenth-century The Castle of Perseverance. In the text available at the Robbins Libary, University of Rochester, they are listed as "bonus angelus" ("good angel") and "malus angelus" ("bad angel").
Update:
I am aware of two sources for this motif:
- The parable of the choice of Heracles/Hercules by the Greek philosopher Prodicus. In this parable, two women appear to Hercules: one who is voluptuous and who promises him the shortest road to the enjoyment of pleasure, and one of more dignified beauty who urges him to follow the longer and more arduous path of noble deeds. Hercules chooses virtue over vice.
- The Christian concept of the guardian angel, which may have some sort of demon as its counterpart. The concept of guardian angel was never formulated by the Church but can be found in the writings of one of the church fahers, St. Jerome: "how great the dignity of the soul, since each one has from his birth an angel commissioned to guard it" (Commentary on Matthew, xviii, lib. II)). (See Catholic.com.) The "bad angel" presumably derives from the angels that were cast out of heaven together with Satan (Revelation 12:7-9).
Your remark about dating has spawned a follow-up question.
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 19 '18 at 19:15
@Randal'Thor Yes. I'll have to dive into my Marlowe books :-)
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 19 '18 at 19:16
@ChristopheStrobbe this is great -- do you happen to think that the morality plays of the 1400's are a first iteration? I know of a similar device in other areas and am trying to see if one influenced the other.
– rosends
Dec 19 '18 at 21:28
1
@rosends I can try to look that up, but not before Friday or Saturday.
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 19 '18 at 21:31
@rosends For a more recent scene inspired by the "two angels" on someone's shoulder: look at the bedroom scene from Game of Thrones, season 1, episode 1, where Lady Catelyn and Maester Luwin can be seen over Ned Stark's left and right shoulder, respectively, giving him conflicting advice. It's not "good and evil" this time, but the same visual symbolism.
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 21 '18 at 16:54
|
show 1 more comment
Yes, the device of the good and the bad angel had definitely used before, for example by Christopher Marlowe in The Tragical History of Dr. Faustus. Marlowe's plays are generally hard to date and Doctor Faustus was probably written between 1589 and 1592, while The Merchant of Venice was presumably written between 1596 and 1599, i.e. several years after Marlowe's death.
In Doctor Faustus, the good and the evil angel already appear in the very first scene:
Good Angel: O Faustus, lay that damned book aside
And gaze not on it, lest it tempt thy soul,
And heap God's heavy wrath upon thy head!
Read, read the Scriptures—that is blasphemy.
Evil Angel: Go forward, Faustus, in that famous art
Wherein all nature's treasure is contained;
Be thou on earth as Jove is in the sky,
Lord and commander of these elements.
They come back in scene 5:
Good Angel: Faustus, repent! Yet God will pity thee.
Evil Angel: Thou art a spirit; God cannot pity thee.
And again in scene 6:
Evil Angel: Too late.
Good Angel: Never too late, if Faustus can repent.
Evil Angel: If thou repent, devils shall tear thee in pieces.
Good Angel: Repent, and they shall never raze thy skin.
(I am quoting from an edition that has only scene divisions, no acts.)
However, the origin of the device is older and was already used in the so-called morality plays, e.g. the fifteenth-century The Castle of Perseverance. In the text available at the Robbins Libary, University of Rochester, they are listed as "bonus angelus" ("good angel") and "malus angelus" ("bad angel").
Update:
I am aware of two sources for this motif:
- The parable of the choice of Heracles/Hercules by the Greek philosopher Prodicus. In this parable, two women appear to Hercules: one who is voluptuous and who promises him the shortest road to the enjoyment of pleasure, and one of more dignified beauty who urges him to follow the longer and more arduous path of noble deeds. Hercules chooses virtue over vice.
- The Christian concept of the guardian angel, which may have some sort of demon as its counterpart. The concept of guardian angel was never formulated by the Church but can be found in the writings of one of the church fahers, St. Jerome: "how great the dignity of the soul, since each one has from his birth an angel commissioned to guard it" (Commentary on Matthew, xviii, lib. II)). (See Catholic.com.) The "bad angel" presumably derives from the angels that were cast out of heaven together with Satan (Revelation 12:7-9).
Your remark about dating has spawned a follow-up question.
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 19 '18 at 19:15
@Randal'Thor Yes. I'll have to dive into my Marlowe books :-)
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 19 '18 at 19:16
@ChristopheStrobbe this is great -- do you happen to think that the morality plays of the 1400's are a first iteration? I know of a similar device in other areas and am trying to see if one influenced the other.
– rosends
Dec 19 '18 at 21:28
1
@rosends I can try to look that up, but not before Friday or Saturday.
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 19 '18 at 21:31
@rosends For a more recent scene inspired by the "two angels" on someone's shoulder: look at the bedroom scene from Game of Thrones, season 1, episode 1, where Lady Catelyn and Maester Luwin can be seen over Ned Stark's left and right shoulder, respectively, giving him conflicting advice. It's not "good and evil" this time, but the same visual symbolism.
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 21 '18 at 16:54
|
show 1 more comment
Yes, the device of the good and the bad angel had definitely used before, for example by Christopher Marlowe in The Tragical History of Dr. Faustus. Marlowe's plays are generally hard to date and Doctor Faustus was probably written between 1589 and 1592, while The Merchant of Venice was presumably written between 1596 and 1599, i.e. several years after Marlowe's death.
In Doctor Faustus, the good and the evil angel already appear in the very first scene:
Good Angel: O Faustus, lay that damned book aside
And gaze not on it, lest it tempt thy soul,
And heap God's heavy wrath upon thy head!
Read, read the Scriptures—that is blasphemy.
Evil Angel: Go forward, Faustus, in that famous art
Wherein all nature's treasure is contained;
Be thou on earth as Jove is in the sky,
Lord and commander of these elements.
They come back in scene 5:
Good Angel: Faustus, repent! Yet God will pity thee.
Evil Angel: Thou art a spirit; God cannot pity thee.
And again in scene 6:
Evil Angel: Too late.
Good Angel: Never too late, if Faustus can repent.
Evil Angel: If thou repent, devils shall tear thee in pieces.
Good Angel: Repent, and they shall never raze thy skin.
(I am quoting from an edition that has only scene divisions, no acts.)
However, the origin of the device is older and was already used in the so-called morality plays, e.g. the fifteenth-century The Castle of Perseverance. In the text available at the Robbins Libary, University of Rochester, they are listed as "bonus angelus" ("good angel") and "malus angelus" ("bad angel").
Update:
I am aware of two sources for this motif:
- The parable of the choice of Heracles/Hercules by the Greek philosopher Prodicus. In this parable, two women appear to Hercules: one who is voluptuous and who promises him the shortest road to the enjoyment of pleasure, and one of more dignified beauty who urges him to follow the longer and more arduous path of noble deeds. Hercules chooses virtue over vice.
- The Christian concept of the guardian angel, which may have some sort of demon as its counterpart. The concept of guardian angel was never formulated by the Church but can be found in the writings of one of the church fahers, St. Jerome: "how great the dignity of the soul, since each one has from his birth an angel commissioned to guard it" (Commentary on Matthew, xviii, lib. II)). (See Catholic.com.) The "bad angel" presumably derives from the angels that were cast out of heaven together with Satan (Revelation 12:7-9).
Yes, the device of the good and the bad angel had definitely used before, for example by Christopher Marlowe in The Tragical History of Dr. Faustus. Marlowe's plays are generally hard to date and Doctor Faustus was probably written between 1589 and 1592, while The Merchant of Venice was presumably written between 1596 and 1599, i.e. several years after Marlowe's death.
In Doctor Faustus, the good and the evil angel already appear in the very first scene:
Good Angel: O Faustus, lay that damned book aside
And gaze not on it, lest it tempt thy soul,
And heap God's heavy wrath upon thy head!
Read, read the Scriptures—that is blasphemy.
Evil Angel: Go forward, Faustus, in that famous art
Wherein all nature's treasure is contained;
Be thou on earth as Jove is in the sky,
Lord and commander of these elements.
They come back in scene 5:
Good Angel: Faustus, repent! Yet God will pity thee.
Evil Angel: Thou art a spirit; God cannot pity thee.
And again in scene 6:
Evil Angel: Too late.
Good Angel: Never too late, if Faustus can repent.
Evil Angel: If thou repent, devils shall tear thee in pieces.
Good Angel: Repent, and they shall never raze thy skin.
(I am quoting from an edition that has only scene divisions, no acts.)
However, the origin of the device is older and was already used in the so-called morality plays, e.g. the fifteenth-century The Castle of Perseverance. In the text available at the Robbins Libary, University of Rochester, they are listed as "bonus angelus" ("good angel") and "malus angelus" ("bad angel").
Update:
I am aware of two sources for this motif:
- The parable of the choice of Heracles/Hercules by the Greek philosopher Prodicus. In this parable, two women appear to Hercules: one who is voluptuous and who promises him the shortest road to the enjoyment of pleasure, and one of more dignified beauty who urges him to follow the longer and more arduous path of noble deeds. Hercules chooses virtue over vice.
- The Christian concept of the guardian angel, which may have some sort of demon as its counterpart. The concept of guardian angel was never formulated by the Church but can be found in the writings of one of the church fahers, St. Jerome: "how great the dignity of the soul, since each one has from his birth an angel commissioned to guard it" (Commentary on Matthew, xviii, lib. II)). (See Catholic.com.) The "bad angel" presumably derives from the angels that were cast out of heaven together with Satan (Revelation 12:7-9).
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answered Dec 19 '18 at 18:49
Christophe Strobbe
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Your remark about dating has spawned a follow-up question.
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 19 '18 at 19:15
@Randal'Thor Yes. I'll have to dive into my Marlowe books :-)
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 19 '18 at 19:16
@ChristopheStrobbe this is great -- do you happen to think that the morality plays of the 1400's are a first iteration? I know of a similar device in other areas and am trying to see if one influenced the other.
– rosends
Dec 19 '18 at 21:28
1
@rosends I can try to look that up, but not before Friday or Saturday.
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 19 '18 at 21:31
@rosends For a more recent scene inspired by the "two angels" on someone's shoulder: look at the bedroom scene from Game of Thrones, season 1, episode 1, where Lady Catelyn and Maester Luwin can be seen over Ned Stark's left and right shoulder, respectively, giving him conflicting advice. It's not "good and evil" this time, but the same visual symbolism.
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 21 '18 at 16:54
|
show 1 more comment
Your remark about dating has spawned a follow-up question.
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 19 '18 at 19:15
@Randal'Thor Yes. I'll have to dive into my Marlowe books :-)
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 19 '18 at 19:16
@ChristopheStrobbe this is great -- do you happen to think that the morality plays of the 1400's are a first iteration? I know of a similar device in other areas and am trying to see if one influenced the other.
– rosends
Dec 19 '18 at 21:28
1
@rosends I can try to look that up, but not before Friday or Saturday.
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 19 '18 at 21:31
@rosends For a more recent scene inspired by the "two angels" on someone's shoulder: look at the bedroom scene from Game of Thrones, season 1, episode 1, where Lady Catelyn and Maester Luwin can be seen over Ned Stark's left and right shoulder, respectively, giving him conflicting advice. It's not "good and evil" this time, but the same visual symbolism.
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 21 '18 at 16:54
Your remark about dating has spawned a follow-up question.
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 19 '18 at 19:15
Your remark about dating has spawned a follow-up question.
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 19 '18 at 19:15
@Randal'Thor Yes. I'll have to dive into my Marlowe books :-)
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 19 '18 at 19:16
@Randal'Thor Yes. I'll have to dive into my Marlowe books :-)
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 19 '18 at 19:16
@ChristopheStrobbe this is great -- do you happen to think that the morality plays of the 1400's are a first iteration? I know of a similar device in other areas and am trying to see if one influenced the other.
– rosends
Dec 19 '18 at 21:28
@ChristopheStrobbe this is great -- do you happen to think that the morality plays of the 1400's are a first iteration? I know of a similar device in other areas and am trying to see if one influenced the other.
– rosends
Dec 19 '18 at 21:28
1
1
@rosends I can try to look that up, but not before Friday or Saturday.
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 19 '18 at 21:31
@rosends I can try to look that up, but not before Friday or Saturday.
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 19 '18 at 21:31
@rosends For a more recent scene inspired by the "two angels" on someone's shoulder: look at the bedroom scene from Game of Thrones, season 1, episode 1, where Lady Catelyn and Maester Luwin can be seen over Ned Stark's left and right shoulder, respectively, giving him conflicting advice. It's not "good and evil" this time, but the same visual symbolism.
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 21 '18 at 16:54
@rosends For a more recent scene inspired by the "two angels" on someone's shoulder: look at the bedroom scene from Game of Thrones, season 1, episode 1, where Lady Catelyn and Maester Luwin can be seen over Ned Stark's left and right shoulder, respectively, giving him conflicting advice. It's not "good and evil" this time, but the same visual symbolism.
– Christophe Strobbe
Dec 21 '18 at 16:54
|
show 1 more comment
In the Islamic tradition there are two angels, the kiraman katibin, that figuratively sit to the left and right of person to record their actions, both good and bad. They are named in the Qu'ran as the noble recorders:
And indeed [appointed] over you are recorders. Noble and recording. They know whatever you do (82:10-12)
This might be a possible influence - the parallel in imagery is quite striking after all.
Interesting find!
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 22 '18 at 14:42
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In the Islamic tradition there are two angels, the kiraman katibin, that figuratively sit to the left and right of person to record their actions, both good and bad. They are named in the Qu'ran as the noble recorders:
And indeed [appointed] over you are recorders. Noble and recording. They know whatever you do (82:10-12)
This might be a possible influence - the parallel in imagery is quite striking after all.
Interesting find!
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 22 '18 at 14:42
add a comment |
In the Islamic tradition there are two angels, the kiraman katibin, that figuratively sit to the left and right of person to record their actions, both good and bad. They are named in the Qu'ran as the noble recorders:
And indeed [appointed] over you are recorders. Noble and recording. They know whatever you do (82:10-12)
This might be a possible influence - the parallel in imagery is quite striking after all.
In the Islamic tradition there are two angels, the kiraman katibin, that figuratively sit to the left and right of person to record their actions, both good and bad. They are named in the Qu'ran as the noble recorders:
And indeed [appointed] over you are recorders. Noble and recording. They know whatever you do (82:10-12)
This might be a possible influence - the parallel in imagery is quite striking after all.
answered Dec 22 '18 at 14:17
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Interesting find!
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 22 '18 at 14:42
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Interesting find!
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 22 '18 at 14:42
Interesting find!
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 22 '18 at 14:42
Interesting find!
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 22 '18 at 14:42
add a comment |
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Are you looking for any earlier incidences, or specifically evidence that Shakespeare was influenced by, or at least aware of, the earlier incidneces?
– Alex
Dec 19 '18 at 18:43
@Alex admittedly, I changed streams mid question, but ultimately, I'll start with any that exist and then move to what he might have known from there.
– rosends
Dec 19 '18 at 18:45